you say liminal, i say liminoid

So this is a post that I’m imagining only the smallest portion of the smallest portion will know what I’m talking about but here goes.
So I’m thinking about liminality and liminal vs. liminoid in videogames, specifically in Counter-Strike. So Turner would certainly say that playing videogames at a lan party was a liminoid phenomenon. However, what about the world of the game itself? Again, specifically in Counter-Strike, which is basically war, would that be a liminal space or a liminoid space? I am thinking that the world of the game is liminal, especially if we look at it from the perspective of the characters. If so, then playing Counter-Strike is a liminoid enactment of a liminal performance. Of course there is all that Turner’s social drama stuff as well. I wonder how that fits in?

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  1. meredith

    I didn’t know there was a liminoid (or, I thought it was being in a state of liminal-ness…) ‘Splain the differences, please.

  2. bryan-mitchell young

    Basically Turner argued that the liminal really is only present in pre-industrial or as he called it “tribal” societies (blech) and in those rituals, everyone HAD to participate in some fashion and it was not optional, also there is the notion that in pre-industrial societies there was less of a distinction between work and play and that there really was no “leisure” as we know it since, according to Turner, even games and fun were for a larger purpose and work was less Fordist and not regulated by the time clock.
    So in industrial (what about post-industrial? not sure if that would matter) it looks like liminality, but is different in that most activities are optional, as well as the segregation of work and play, he also says that liminiod activities are more quirky and often solitary (but not always, but it makes me want to go look at that book “Bowling Alone”). There are a couple other differentiations he makes as well, but I don’t have the article handy. So basically that’s the difference in Turner’s eyes.
    Honestly, I’m not so sure how big a difference there is between the two or how much it matters, but the notion that playing Counter-Strike is a liminiod enactment of a liminal activity is interesting. That makes it a liminal form of liminality!

  3. meredith

    As you’ve explained it, then, it looks like liminal activities can’t exist in contemporary society?